Comments on: I was wrong http://eastbyz.blogsome.com/2007/07/14/i-was-wrong/ Head in the West, Body in the East, Heart in Byzantium Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:03:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: JMC http://eastbyz.blogsome.com/2007/07/14/i-was-wrong/#comment-30 Sun, 12 Aug 2007 04:28:10 +0100 http://eastbyz.blogsome.com/2007/07/14/i-was-wrong/#comment-30 Thank you Father Deacon. Thank you Father Deacon.

]]> by: 執事尼古拉 http://eastbyz.blogsome.com/2007/07/14/i-was-wrong/#comment-29 Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:55:08 +0100 http://eastbyz.blogsome.com/2007/07/14/i-was-wrong/#comment-29 Oh, I meant to say that there was this, but that they would probably not even know of the Ecumenical councils, let alone the canons of the Early Church. So I do agree with your points, I just wanted to also back up your initial comment. There is right and there is wrong, but sometimes compassion is even more important. Oh, I meant to say that there was this, but that they would probably not even know of the Ecumenical councils, let alone the canons of the Early Church. So I do agree with your points, I just wanted to also back up your initial comment. There is right and there is wrong, but sometimes compassion is even more important.

]]> by: JMC1 http://eastbyz.blogsome.com/2007/07/14/i-was-wrong/#comment-28 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:44:08 +0100 http://eastbyz.blogsome.com/2007/07/14/i-was-wrong/#comment-28 Fr. Deacon Nikolai, You are right to bring up the Apostolic Canon, thank you for the correction. Of course "If he be a layman, let him be excommunicated." applies to my friend, but would she even disagree with that? The people I am speaking of are not members of the Church, and so are not in communion with us as their natural state. Yet they still have a faith in Christ - something which cannot be ignored. This is not to say they are alright as they are, but to say that any correction I would be forward enough to give them would be misplaced. They're not a part of the Church so criticizing them for not following her is wrong, I believe. Better to attract them to the Church first. This is why their faith and love of God is important - they are on their first step to entering the Church. I see all heterodox as Cathecumens Fr. Deacon Nikolai,

You are right to bring up the Apostolic Canon, thank you for the correction. Of course “If he be a layman, let him be excommunicated.” applies to my friend, but would she even disagree with that? The people I am speaking of are not members of the Church, and so are not in communion with us as their natural state. Yet they still have a faith in Christ - something which cannot be ignored.

This is not to say they are alright as they are, but to say that any correction I would be forward enough to give them would be misplaced. They’re not a part of the Church so criticizing them for not following her is wrong, I believe. Better to attract them to the Church first. This is why their faith and love of God is important - they are on their first step to entering the Church. I see all heterodox as Cathecumens

]]> by: 執事尼古拉 http://eastbyz.blogsome.com/2007/07/14/i-was-wrong/#comment-27 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:57:40 +0100 http://eastbyz.blogsome.com/2007/07/14/i-was-wrong/#comment-27 Of course there is also this, Apostolic Canon LXX. "If any bishop, presbyter, or deacon, or any one of the list of clergy, keeps fast or festival with the Jews, or receives from them any of the gifts of their feasts, as unleavened bread, any such things, let him be deposed. If he be a layman, let him be excommunicated." Of course there is also this, Apostolic Canon LXX.

“If any bishop, presbyter, or deacon, or any one of the list of clergy, keeps fast or festival with the Jews, or receives from them any of the gifts of their feasts, as unleavened bread, any such things, let him be deposed. If he be a layman, let him be excommunicated.”

]]> by: Flying Finn http://eastbyz.blogsome.com/2007/07/14/i-was-wrong/#comment-26 Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:15:37 +0100 http://eastbyz.blogsome.com/2007/07/14/i-was-wrong/#comment-26 In your link you write: 'So I am indeed blessed, and though I hunger for the next time I can approach the altar, at least I am able to freely and without fear of retribution from any other man. Until then I will continue to pray and do "the small things" that the saints have taught us. Most especially I will pray for those who are denied their right to sincerely approach the chalice and partake in Christ’s sacrifice to all mankind.' Here in the West we are really lucky in this respect: though we have problems of our own, of a different kind, we do have the freedom to worship. I shall pray for those very same intentions too. Paul (flying finn) In your link you write:

‘So I am indeed blessed, and though I hunger for the next time I can approach the altar, at least I am able to freely and without fear of retribution from any other man. Until then I will continue to pray and do “the small things” that the saints have taught us. Most especially I will pray for those who are denied their right to sincerely approach the chalice and partake in Christ’s sacrifice to all mankind.’

Here in the West we are really lucky in this respect: though we have problems of our own, of a different kind, we do have the freedom to worship. I shall pray for those very same intentions too.

Paul (flying finn)

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